On April 27, 2011, 9:50AM, Voyager said:

Steven: you're being a moron right now.
I'm not hijacking shit.
I merely pointed out that the show attempts to mix monotheism with science fiction (which I personally think is a ridiculous idea), further lending credence to my lack of interest in the show.

So, if you will use your logical reasoning and notice, it's a reason I don't like the show (and a valid one). Seeing as I was discussing the pros and cons of the show, it was necessary to give that as one of the cons I noticed.

At any rate, I only had to bring it back up because Topher thinks it's logical to view Star Wars as religious, leading to the lecture on the differences between religious and spiritual stories.

So "this thread isn't about god"? Of course it fucking isn't, and no one said it fucking was!
Monotheism just happens to be apart of the subject matter of this thread.
Whatever, I'm done attempting to pump some sense into you. Good day.

On April 27, 2011, 10:46AM, Voyager said:
Alright, Steve. You officially went too far.
Essentially, you've trampled all over my personal right to discuss this show without unnecessary restrictions or boundaries (when I was in fact on fucking topic). If you disagree with my reasons for not liking the show, oh well. Get over it. We all prefer different things. Not everyone has to like a show merely because you seem to think its universally appealing (as of course, it's not).

Are you serious? If it's a part of the show and indeed is a reason why I tend to dislike it, then I damn well am justified in discussing how and why it's a reason I dislike the show.

How is that at all logical? A thread/show has to be exclusively about any aspect of it for people to be warranted in discussing those specific aspects? On the contrary, if it is at all related to the subject of the thread or the show then it's a valid point for discussion (in whatever form). Don't pull some arbitrary bullshit about what's appropriate and what isn't (especially when you are making assumptions about why monotheism was discussed at all).

You're seriously going to make this monumentally unfounded assertion without even considering the possibility that I simply find the idea of monotheism somewhat dissonant when coupled with the science fiction setting of Battlestar? You're just going to assume it's because I dislike monotheism and want to further thrust it in everyone's faces? You're going to assume I have some political agenda in bringing this notion up?
Do what you want, but just know that you're completely wrong in making this completely unfounded assumption. And therefore, a giant fucking asshole. I had very valid - ON TOPIC - reasons for bringing up the fact that I tend to think monotheism seems to ruin Battlestar for me (as monotheism doesn't seem to go well with the idea of future clones). It's a subjective reason, but it's a reason nonetheless. Additionally, my having had to further discuss monotheism with regard to Topher's post about Star Wars had nothing to do with some nefarious intention of mine to derail this thread. I simply made a statement about religion to which Topher was justified in responding (and both were stated in relation to Battlestar). So regardless of how you want to perceive it, it was all related to the damn thread and show in some form.
You made a few other unnecessary personal assumption about my discussing these reasons with no malicious intention, but I'm going to leave it at this. The point is, if you are going to essentially harass me for merely discussing why I didn't particularly like this show, I will have justified reason in returning the favor and harassing you whenever you seem to bring up key words (regardless of your intentions).
Perhaps you'll see a post saying, "This thread isn't exclusively about subject X, so don't discuss it." Let's see how you like it, dude. Very fucking uncalled for.

On April 27, 2011, 4:06PM, Voyager said:

Fuck you. Steven was completely out of line fucking personally addressing me in the first place, with his baseless assertions and accusations that make absolutely no fucking sense.

I had every right to discuss why I dislike Battlestar, even if it involves the monotheistic aspect. I had every right to respond to Topher's post about how he thinks Star Wars involves religion.

Thus, no one had any fucking warrant in finding a problem with either of them.

But fuck it. Steven's now on my shit list indefinitely.
I demand a fucking apology for this shit. OUT OF LINE to accuse me without warrant. OUT OF FUCKING LINE.

Make sure to be completely - and I mean COMPLETELY - on topic in every thread you visit, Steven. If you want to harass me when I'm simply discussing a show and why I don't like it, then I will definitely return the fucking favor.

Two can play that game. Just because you're a mod doesn't give special rights to run around shitting on others for not posting in a way that seems ideal to you. Who the fuck are you anyway? You're no one. You're just some guy who happens to like Battlestar. So what? That means you are an authority on what should be discussed and what shouldn't in any Battlestar threads? LOL

When I'm attacked without warrant for merely following the rules and doing what is actually appropriate, I take it very personally. It's a grave injustice with regard to my freedoms on this site. It amounts to a form of grief and harassment, and I do not tolerate it. And this is what happens when people get out of line and attack others for no good reason.

Either apologize, make things right, or deal wit the ramifications.
IT'S YOUR CHOIE, STEVE.

On April 27, 2011, 3:01PM, Topher said:


Well, even with how short Firefly was cut, I believe it was always going to be about some nobodies in the fringe of space trying to get by. This is even evident in the movie; when shit went down, Mal had no delusions on who he was, he was only concerned with getting the job down and in the end, serving his fellow man. (In which case, he was secretly all about. Many of the choices he made in Firefly show that he has a deep caring side, it just conflicts a bit with his views on the verse and how it's run. A beautifully written Chaotic Good character.)
But a lot of what made Firefly was the characters - something Joss Wheden is amazing at. (and in true Wheden fashion, it could be serious, funny, and campy all at the same time without being completely dumb. He somehow managed to do this very well on Buffy too.)
But yeah, I think if Fox allowed Firefly to grow, then it would have been a much better show.
As for BSG, I'm gonna have to find the time to actually try to watch it again. I might start with the first episode, instead of trying to watch the miniseries again.

On April 27, 2011, 9:20PM, Topher said:
Wait, FIREFLY didn't have good character development? Really?